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Forgotten little movies

Posted by dweck (My Page) on
Wed, Jan 18, 06 at 16:23

There are so many little films that get lost along the way. It's a shame, really, as they're left by the wayside, shoved aside by bigger blockbusters.

Let's revive them and list - Any year. Any genre.

My first nominee is 'On Borrowed Time' (1939) with Bobs Watson and Lionel Barrymore. An excellent little story about a boy and his grandfather and the rather odd man they trap in their apple tree.


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I liked "A Little Romance", with an aging Laurence Olivier. Had a lovely bicycle race in it, with background music of Vivaldi. A little gem of a film, about very young would-be lovers.


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I don't know whether this was forgotten, or just an underrated/unappreciated movie, but I rather liked "The Heart of Me" with Paul Bettany, Helena Bonham Carter, and Olivia Williams. Part of it is predictable, and part of it is not. It takes place in 1930s/1940s era Britain, and is the story of the tense relations over the years between two sisters who love the same man. One is married to that man, while the other refuses to marry a man she does not love or to fulfill society's expectations of her.


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The majority of my favorite films seem to be in the "forgotten" category, or at least out of the mainstream.

"Evidence Preferred... But Not Essential" (1982) was made for British television, but I first saw it in an American movie theatre. I happened to catch it one time on TV and made a precious recording that I have watched over and over, praying that it will survive one more time until I can replace it with a DVD. Set in a Welsh seaside resort in the early 1960s, it's a sweet -- but not syrupy -- coming-of-age story where a young woman works with all kinds of oddballs: an Elvis-wannabe, a somnambulist nudist, a runaway (at age 36), etc.

Georgia, your mention of Helena Bonham Carter reminded me of "Getting It Right" (1989). The protagonist, Gavin, a 31-year-old male virgin, is tentative about getting involved with modern women. Bonham Carter plays an aristocrat who is anything but aristocratic in her demeanor (I recall her morning-after, mascara-smudged eyes every time I see HBC is one of her more fastidious roles). Jane Horrocks (Bubble in "Absolutely Fabulous") is a junior hairdresser whom Gavin works with but who never seemed very interesting to him until... Lynn Redgrave is the older woman who teaches Gavin a thing or two.

I also think "That Sinking Feeling" (1980), directed by Bill Forsyth -- about a Glaswegian-gang that specializes in stealing kitchen sinks -- is one of the funniest films I've ever seen, though I had to watch it at least six times before I could understand a lot of the dialogue.


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I tend to like a lot of the smaller movies - the first one that came to mind was the lovely 'Hear My Song' in which an Irish impresario goes in search of a lost tenor. I only saw it once many years ago, but remember it as utterly charming.


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I second A Little Romance, it's one of my faves and I've mentioned it on these forums many times. I also enjoy Grace of My Heart with Ileanna Douglas. Some of it's a little contrived but it's a very sweet chick flick.


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Let's keep this thread going. What about the "Baltimore Trilogy"? I can only recall one of the titles, "Diner", but the other two were good, too.


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I just looked up the other two: "Avalon" and "Liberty Heights."


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"Tin Men" is also set in Baltimore. I like that one, too. I especially like "Avalon"...and "Diner." I'm not sure if I've seen "Liberty Heights." Thanks for the mention, Mary; now I have something good to search for.

I brought up another "little movie" on another thread: "Why Shoot the Teacher?" that stars Bud Cort of Harold & Maude fame and Samantha Eggar. The setting is Depression-era Saskatchewan and the hard life the people in that province led. Eggar's character is particularly poignant, a British war bride who followed her Canadian husband but never really adjusted to the loneliness and weather. One of her lines: "Canada is a nice country -- sometimes, in the spring." But this is not really a completely-sad film; it's actually very funny in a gentle, low-key way. The politician character is a riot, and Bud Cort is perfect as Max Brown, as he is called, though the film is based on Canadian writer Max Braithwaite's reminiscences.

I can name scads of "little movies," but I'll hold off because I don't want to hog the thread. :-)


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Can I throw in "Being There"? I think this film is brilliant. Frieda, don't be afraid to mention several at a time. Keep 'em coming.....


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Oh ditto, woodnymph2, on Being There!
Here are a couple more(which I've mentioned before):

An Angel at my Table (1990). New Zealand,Jane Campion, director. Wonderful Kerry Fox in lead role. Biographical drama about a young writer's coming into to her own through personal hardships and misdiagnosed illness.

Italian for Beginners (2000). Denmark, social drama with humorous touches about a group of misfit singles in a small town who come together in a night school class.

Big Night (1996). USA, Stanley Tucci and Tony Shaloub. A failing family restaurant business comes up against stiff competition. Will the business survive? Will the 2 brothers survive... each other? Sublime humor and Italian angst at its best!

Shallow Grave (1994). UK, tense thriller with brit wit. Stars Christopher Eccleston, Ewan McGregor and again Kerry Fox.

And another personal fave: Two for the Road (1967) w/Audrey Hepburn and Albert Finney. An underrated classic, imho.


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This was probably only seen on TV but one of my favorites. I think I have an old VCR tape of it.
"The Questor Tapes" Scifi

Here is a link that might be useful: The Questor Tapes (1974)


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Another SciFi favorite is "The Day of the Triffids" from 1962. I'm surprised they haven't remade it - or at least I don't think they have.


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'Smoke', 1995, with William Hurt and Harvey Keitel. Nothing much happens, great little movie.


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Oh, clairabelle, "Angel at My Table" is excellent, but so sad. Janet Frame is gone now, too. I'm not sure I could watch "Angel" again, presently, without completely dissolving, but I want to see it again, eventually.

And "Shallow Grave" is on my list of all-time creepy favorites. The part where one of the guys is moving around in the attic drilling holes so he can peer into the rooms below is the first thing that comes to my mind when this film is mentioned.

Another film with Kerry Fox I think is very good is "The Affair." A British woman and a black American GI have a relationship during WWII while her soldier husband is away. This drama is not easy to watch sometimes; but Ms. Fox and Courtney B. Vance are outstanding and the story is thought-provoking.

Okay, while I'm at it :-), I'll mention several other "little movies" that I seldom get to discuss because no one I know has seen them.

A couple from the 1960s starring Hayley Mills in her first grown-up roles:

"The Truth About Spring" -- Spring (Hayley) is a tomboy growing up mothertheless on her father's boat. Father -- who else but John Mills -- is searching for pirate's treasure and fishing in the meanwhile. A young man (the delectable James MacArthur) falls in with them and, well, nature takes its course. I cannot, for the life of me, understand why this film has never been released on video. It is very rarely shown on television, either, but I was lucky enough one time to catch it and make a tape. Has anyone else seen it?

"The Family Way" -- Jenny (Hayley) and Arthur (Hywel Bennett) are newlyweds who have to live with his family (his father is played by John Mills). They don't have a honeymoon and poor Arthur just can't manage to consummate the marriage. This is really a lovely little film and not prurient, but can you imagine acting such an intimate subject with your own father as one of your fellow actors, like Hayley did? I guess she was accustomed to it, though.

Skipping a decade: Thomas McGuane adapted his own novel, 92 in the Shade, and directed the 1974 film of the same title. Peter Fonda is a Key West fellow who wants to get into the fish-guiding business. Warren Oates is a curmudgeonly guide who doesn't want a new rival. Harry Dean Stanton is a go-between who has a major problem of his own, a voluptuous ex-majorette wife (played SO well by Elizabeth Ashley) who still likes to put on her skimpy costume and twirl her baton. Burgess Meredith is a crooked, old lawyer who can't keep his hands off his middle-aged secretary (Sylvia Miles). William Hickey, the Fonda character's grandfather, won't get out of bed and won't fund his grandson's enterprise. Margot Kidder is Fonda's girlfriend. I'm naming all these actors because each one nails his/her part. Despite a downbeat ending -- which is actually true to the book -- I think this film is one of the funniest of the 1970s. But who else has seen it? It's a shame it's not better known.


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The Little Fugitive. a little boy is made to believe he "shot" his older brother and runs away to Coney Island. this is a precious film and accurately shows how people dressed and acted around 1953, IMHO

Here is a link that might be useful: The Little Fugitive


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Here is another little gem with an all star cast including Charles Laughton ....
Hobson's Choice from 1954.


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Charles Laughton overacted, as usual, in "Hobson's Choice"; but since he was playing a domineering father and comic drunk, that's all right. It's Brenda de Banzie, who played Maggie, the eldest of Hobson's three daughters, who really shines in this Victorian period piece. Her father said she was too old to get married at 30, but she showed him. And John Mills (again!) as Laughton's mild-mannered shoemaker assistant finds his life in a whirl when Maggie collars him and says they are getting married. He gets an ambitious wife who sets him up in competition with his father-in-law/former employer and guess who wins! It's all delightful -- one of David Lean's little films before he branched into epics. I'm glad you brought it up, Minnie. I think I'll watch it right now.


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thanks friedag for the info! Your mention of Peter Fonda brought another one to mind: Ulee's Gold, which was excellent. A father brings together --thru hell and high water, and bees -- his dysfunctional family.


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"The Journey of Natty Gann" was great, too. Meredith Salinger was terrific (whatever happened to *her*) and an up-n-coming John Cusack.


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"Shirley Valentine", a romantic chick-flick set in London and Greece.

"The Little Thief" -- last film directed by the great Francois Truffaut, in French, starring Charlotte Gainsbourgh.

"The Secret of Roan Innish" (not just for kids).

"Five Easy Pieces"


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I haven't looked it up but does anyone remember "The Red Balloon"? I think that was the name. It follows the journey of a "lost" balloon.


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Absolutely "Shirley Valentine"!! And Pauline Collins, in person, is as warm and expressive as she is on screen. She has the loveliest eyes, too.

"The Major and the Minor" (1942), starring Ginger Rogers and Ray Milland
Of all the screwball comedies of that era, this is probably one of the lesser known. I've always wondered why because I think it is hilarious. I went over to the IMDb Message Board to see if I could get some insight, and I found that it must not translate well to modern audiences because some viewers expressed misgivings about a romance between an adult and a child! I guess they don't get the joke: Su-Su, the Ginger Rogers character, is obviously NOT a child, though she pretends to be one to get a half-fare train ticket.

"Cal" (1984), with John Lynch and Helen Mirren
Against his nature, a young man, Cal, gets involved with the IRA in Belfast. He falls in love with an older Catholic woman (Mirren), whose Protestant policeman husband was murdered by Cal's "friends" and Cal himself drove the getaway car for them. Adapted from Bernard MacLaverty's novel, this sad tale is at once a character study and a depiction of what life is/was like inside "the Troubles." The Uilleann-pipe music by Mark Knopfler is sublime. The late, great Donal McCann is Cal's father, Shamie.

"Heartaches" (1981), with Annie Potts, Margot Kidder, Robert Carradine
Could be called a chick flick, I suppose, but my husband likes it! Annie's character is married to Robert Carradine's character when she gets pregnant (results of a single-time mistake), but unfortunately he's not the father. She's terrified to tell him so she leaves, but she quickly learns that she's not going to be able to take care of herself. Lucky for her, she falls in with Margot Kidder's character, named Rita (the only character name I can recall at the moment). Rita is brassy, both loves and hates men, and has had a pretty hard life herself; but she has a good heart and gets attached to Annie Potts (Bonnie, I just remembered!) and Bonnie's unborn baby. This is a female-buddy movie -- parts are poignant, parts are funny because they ring so true -- with Kidder & Potts a great team.


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One of my faves is Educating Rita. I saw it in the movies when I was 15 and loved it. I get sucked into watching it every time it's on cable. I LOVE Julie Walters and I swear that lady has not aged a bit!

Hey "Smoke" has a sequel...can't recall the name but it's the same group of people. That's quite good, too. Anyone remember the name?


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Didn't know that, Moongirl, but have just checked it on the IMDb - apparently it's called "Blue in the Face" and was shot right on the back of "Smoke".

As always, I find our different perspectives amusing - some of the films you (in the US) consider little would probably be seen as 'big(gish)' ones here (in the UK), e.g. 'Shallow Grave' and 'Educating Rita'.

One little film which I really need to watch a second time was Kevin Smith's "Clerks". Saw it years ago on tv, hadn't ever seen anything quite like it!

Another odd and delightful televisual find was the "Wisconsin Death Trip", a very strange and poetic documentary of weird events, deaths and misadventures reported in a small town 19th century newspaper.


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Oh yes, Shirley Valentine and Educating Rita!!!

Moongirl, the sequel to Smoke is 'Blue in the face', I believe.

Some more:
*Ryan's Daughter (John Mills, Sarah Miles, Robert Mitchum)
*Viva la Vie (star-studded cast, excellent Lelouch tale)
*Le Mari de la Coiffeuse (The Hairdresser's Husband). A beautiful, yet unusual love story.

Friedag, just reading over what's been said and I DO SO remember that Hayley Mills movie with 'dreamy' James McArthur!!! (brings back memories, sigh).


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moongirl, have you seen Julie Walters in "Personal Services" (1987)? It was directed by Terry Jones of Monty Python fame, though I don't think this film is Pythonesque. Walters is a single mother called Christine Painter, who waitresses to pay for her son's public school (private school in the US) fees. She also does a side bit of collecting rents on flats let, she finds out, to prostitutes -- some of the flats are quite sumptuous. This gives her the idea of becoming a madame. She already has a friend who caters to men's fantasies by pretending to be a nanny, a school mistress, and other dominatrix roles; another friend named Dolly, who likes to knit cardies, can be the "prostitute's maid" (it's never a good idea for a prostitute to be completely alone with clientele; it's much better to have a maid in the next room).

Anyway, that's the set up and Christine's business grows and she starts to specialize in "kinkiness for older gentlemen." If it sounds very sordid, well, it is and it isn't -- it's all played for comic effect. There's a lot of sexual suggestion, but it's nearly all verbal and thankfully none is graphic -- making it all the funnier, I think. Julie Walters is perfect in her part. Note: Cynthia Payne, the famous oft-arrested British madame, was a production consultant, but there are disclaimers both fore and aft that this story isn't about Payne's life. One wonders if the protesting is too much.

Another film, "Wish You Were Here" (1987) is supposed to be about Cynthia Payne's teenage years. Emily Lloyd plays young Lynda (as she is called in this film). David Leland, the writer of the "Personal Services" screenplay, also wrote the screenplay for this one. But, whereas "Personal Services" is lighthearted, "Wish You Were Here" has a darker tone, though parts of it are funny, too. I recommend both films to certain viewers but not to everyone.


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Friedag--isn't it "Experience Preferred...." not Evidence?

If you like Thomas McGuane, Rancho Deluxe is another funny little movie,and Jeff Bridges plays a character that could be related to his Dude in The Big Lebowski.


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ideefix, I'm not 100% sure what you mean. However, "Experience Preferred...But Not Essential" is the title given at the first of the film I recorded, and I went to IMDb and that's the title they give there, too. It may have an alternate title, though.

Oh, yes, "Rancho Deluxe" is an old favorite. I have never seen "The Big Lebowski." It's probably too new for me, though I see it was released in 1998. I'm hopelessly years behind most movie watchers. That's why I enjoy threads like this one -- finally, I can talk about films I've seen. :-)


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Thought of another one you may have seen:

Out of Rosenheim (1987), better known as Bagdad Café
CCH Pounder stars, alongside Jack Palance.


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Some more:

"Hester Street"- turn of the century immigrant Jewish life in NYC

"Delancy Street" -romantic, off beat tale set in the garment district of NYC

"The Sailor who Fell with Grace from the Sea" - bizarre story a bit reminiscent of "Lord of the Flies" starred Sara Miles.

"The Crying Game" - strange love story set in Ireland.

Gosh, I adored "Educating Rita." I think this was Michael Caine's best film, except perhaps "Alfie."

And I liked "Cal" very, very much.


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Just remembered another oldie in B & W-- "A Walk on the Wild Side" with Laurence Harvey (I think) and Cappucchine.

And "Room at the Top" with Simone Signoret.


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woodnymph2, I had thought about mentioning The Sailor who Fell(...)but hesitated because, indeed, it's very bizarre!


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I'm wagging my head and saying yep, yep, yep to all you have mentioned, clairabelle and Mary.

Marianne Sagebrecht is the surprise in "Out of Rosenheim" (Bagdad Cafe), a frumpy-looking Frau dumped by her husband in the American desert. But gradually we find out -- just like Brenda (CCH Pounder) does -- that there is something about Jasmin and how she can set even the most chaotic situations aright (and boy! Brenda's life is a huge mess). I love this film.

Heh! Mary, don't you think some of the casting in "Walk on the Wild Side" is a hoot? I mean:

Laurence Harvey, born in Lithuania and raised in the UK, plays Texan Dove Linkhorn. That would be fine if his accent was appropriate -- I don't know what he sounds like but it sure ain't a Texan!

And Jane Fonda as Kitty Twist (don't you love these characters' names?) slithers all over the place, overacting, and her accent is as weird as Harvey's.

But Anne Baxter beats both of them, playing a good-hearted senorita who runs a cafe -- her Mexican accent is so cliche that she should have been stifled!

Barbara Stanwyck is well-cast, though. Stanwyck could elevate any part.

Capucine is...well, Capucine. What did they think? New Orleans = French; Capucine is French? Ha! The music and that black cat are so jazzy, though. All and all, a camp classic, in my opinion.


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Frieda - no I have not seen Personal Services but now I will have to hunt it down. I love her!

Woodnymph - do you mean Crossing Delancey with Amy Irving?


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Does anyone remember seeing a Canadian film titled "Sue" (1997)? I mention it because it strikes me as a forgotten, little film, but I found it haunting. I actually only saw part of it, and am not sure whether it was made just for television or released as a film. It was on tv when my husband and I were on vacation in Paris, and I only saw a portion of it. I never knew how it ended, but I expect in a final act of desperation. Anna Levine played a woman who allows herself to be victimized time and time again, and it is very painful to watch, but very well acted (and I also think an excellent example of a stark film).


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Georgia, I remember watching at least part of "Sue." I don't recall if I was interrupted or I just stopped, but it might have been the latter because I found it very painful, as you say, to see this woman disintegrate. Another thing I found very distracting was the poor visual quality, at least in the edition I saw; but I was reading the IMDb comments to spur my memory and there that quality was described as a deliberate stylistic feature -- the "starkness" you mention. If I had known that, perhaps I would have been more tolerant, and if I ever run across the film again, I will watch it with a new eye.


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Hearts of the West (1975)-Jeff Bridges goes to Hollywood during the silent film era and becomes a stunt rider in cowboy films. More exciting than it sounds.

The Pad and how to use it (1967?)--How I wish I could find a copy of this. Saw it years ago and it has never been broadcast again. A shy young man is tutored by a Ladies man and meets a young woman. The dynamics involved between the three are incredible.

The Good Wife (1985?)--This is a fascinating character study set in a turn of the century Austrailian village. Rachel Ward plays a wife and mother who is molested by a creep then finds herself consumed by him and he wants nothing to do with her. I have never seen a film that so amazingly depicts the breakdown of a persons character and sanity as this one does.


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Hi all, just passing through to see what everyone is talking about. I love this thread, makes me want to go to netflix and update my list. I was scrolling down to add my two bits but I see Shirley Valentine is already here. LOVED that movie. There are some others here that I really liked and would love to see again.

The one I also loved, and don't see here is "The Winslow Boy" ever see it? Quiet little thing, but I always get sucked into it if it is on tv. I also can't help but watch "The Spitfire Grill" if I run across it.

Keep up the thread, I'm making my list.

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I thought of a few more that I don't think were ever big at the box office, but I enjoy watching them at home from time to time:

Living in Oblivion (1995) w/ Steve Buscemi, Catherine Keener, Durmot Mulroney - I loved the humor in this one.

Where Angels Fear to Tread (1991) w/ Helen Mirren, Helena Bonham Carter, Judy Davis and Rupert Graves - I may not be totally objective about this one since I'm an unabashed EM Forster fan, but I always regarded this as an excellent book-to-film adaptation and it has been largely forgotten among films of this kind.


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A couple more...
Home for the Holidays (1995), with Holly Hunter, Robert Downey Jr., and the delicious Anne Bancroft. Thanksgiving comedy in yet another dysfunctional family. Bancroft's performance alone is worth the watch!

Another Canadian movie, Margaret's Museum, with Helena B. Carter, Clive Russell and Kate Nelligan. Poignant and tragic love story in a tiny mining town. Very bizarre ending...


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Moongirl, sorry, I did indeed mean "Crossing Delancey," with Amy Irving!

I agree, "The Winslow Boy" was wonderful.

I never saw "Sue" but the theme to me sounds awfully like an old Italian film, "La Strada." Anyone here like that one? There was a whole string of those B & W Italian films in the Sixties that used the same actress, waif-like. I think she was at one time the wife of the late Marcello Mastriani.(Her name escapes me -- was it Juliette something?) Frieda, do you remember her?

Another old favorite: "Wild Strawberries", directed by the inimitable Ingmar Bergman. Each time I see this one, I get some new insight or wisdom from it.

Also: "Babette's Feast."


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Let's not foget the great Paul Newman movie "Hud". This was one of the great Newman performances. He was never afraid to be play a bad dude (unlike Tom Hanks who almost always plays a saintly character)and Melvin Douglas and Brandon deWilde (who died young in a car accident) were also in it. The cinemetography in B&W really captures the vastness and bleakness of West Texas as it was then. And at the end when Newman gives deWilde a very cynical mean lecture, that is one of the great movie moments.


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Crossing Delancey with Amy Irving is one of my favorites.
Quality Street with Kate Hepburn is another.


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Anyone remember an Australian movie called "Muriel's Wedding"?


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I love that one, dynomutt...but maybe that's 'cause I love Abba.


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clairabelle, "Margaret's Museum" sounds right up my alley, but I will probably have to really scrounge to find it. We in the US, for some stupid reason, don't always get Canadian films.

Georgia, "Where Angels Fear to Tread" does appear to have been overlooked and underrated, even during that flurried period when it seems every E.M. Forster novel was filmed. I did see this film -- I even have it on video -- but for the life of me I can't remember much about it other than Judy Davis's turn as the priggish Harriet. It's time I rewatched this one.

Add me to the ravers of "Crossing Delancey"! I love Peter Riegert in this and in "Local Hero" and in his small-but-so-good role as Sam in "Chilly Scenes of Winter" (aka "Head Over Heels"). I liked Amy Irving as the virginal Hadass in "Yentl." I know "Yentl" is not exactly forgotten, from all the lambasting on the IMDb Message Board I've been reading. Sheesh! I quite like it. I fell in love with Mandy Patinkin's Avigdor. Tell me I'm not the only one!

Speaking of Mandy Patinkin, he's Alfred de Musset to Judy Davis's Aurora Dudivant/George Sand in "Impromptu." I laugh and laugh at the wordplay and sight gags in this costume biopic. Bernadette Peters is the deliciously devious Marie d'Agoult; Julian Sands is Franz Lizst, much harried in his homelife with his perennially baby-producing mistress (how did that man manage to write such music as he did?); Ralph Brown is Eugene Delacroix (who had a thing about painting dead things); Georges Corraface is Sand's jealous lover, Mallefille....and oh! I must not forget Emma Thompson as the Duchess d'Antan whose hospitality was so greatly imposed upon! Only Hugh Grant as Chopin slightly disappoints me, but, oh well, he's good enough.

Mary, I think you are thinking of Guilietta Masina who was Frederico Fellini's wife. "La Strada" is splendid, superb, and every other superlative I can think of. I'm not sure that I see any resemblance between it and "Sue," but then I didn't watch all of "Sue" so I might have missed something. Georgia, what do you think?

Reggie, indeed "Hud" is vintage Newman and Martin Ritt (director) and Larry McMurtry ("Hud" is adapted from his novel Horseman Pass By). Gosh, McMurtry has had quite a number of his novels turned into films and television miniseries. "Hud" and "The Last Picture" are my favorites. I like "Lonesome Dove," too.

One more and I'll shut up: It's funny how the mention of one film leads to another. Jeff Bridges has been mentioned several times above and that brought to my mind "Bad Company" (1972), with Bridges and a raft of other up-and-coming young actors of the time as a bunch of drifters in the American West trying to escape conscription during the War between the States. They find themselves particularly inept at getting by in an alien land. This film is beautifully photographed with ambient light and slightly sepia tones, giving one of the most realistic depictions of the way things would have really looked interior-wise in the 19th century. I do so love a western, and this is one my favorites of the realistic-type.


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I loved "McCabe & Mrs. Miller" (1971). Also, "Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid" (although that one is hardly obscure).

Frieda, you aren't the only one who loved M. Patimkin as Avigdor in "Yentil." I adored the entire film from start to finish: wonderful settings, casting, and nostalgia.


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I OWN Crossing Delancey! That's how I knew which film you were talking about. Ironically, it was on cable the other night and I got sucked in, as usual.

Another small forgotten little movie I always liked is Best Laid Plans with Reese Witherspoon and Josh Brolin. And speaking of her, The Man in the Moon is another good one. Oh, and A Walk on the Moon with Diane Lane. I always get these two mixed up, but they're both nice little films.


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Thanks for mentioning La Strada.


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I don't think "Sue" and "La Strada" are comparable, even stylistically, but - like Frieda - I've only seen part of "Sue". I did like "La Strada" the one time I saw it. I think I even got lucky enough to see it in a theatre when it was resurrected for some kind of film celebration in town (years ago).

I don't know if this next movie belongs in the forgotten category, but to my knowledge it still has not been released on DVD here in the states, and I find myself wondering why. Does anyone remember "The Double Life of Veronique"? I only saw it once, but have been thinking about it and would like to see it again, but it is hard to find these days.

A movie that pleasantly surprised me was "Leading Man" with Jon Bon Jovi and Thandie Newton. It wasn't a great movie, but it was one of those little, overlooked movies that turned out better than I expected and had plenty of entertaining plot twists.


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I didn't know that HUD came from a Larry McMurtry novel. Hopefully, the novel is still available. I also liked Hearts of the West. Andy Griffith was really good in it, in addition to the young Jeff Bridges.


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"Brimstone and Treacle" was an early to mid 80s film that starred Sting. One of the strangest films that I have ever seen.


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RD, I remember being stunned by "Brimstone and Treacle". It was not actually a film, I think, but a television play by Dennis Potter - he was one of the most lauded British tv writers ever. His most famous pieces were "Pennies from Heaven" and "The Singing Detective". I never really managed to enjoy any of his stuff...


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Yes, I liked "A Walk on the Moon" very much, too. Wasn't that the first time we all noticed and liked Liev Schrieber? And wasn't Vigo Mortensen in that one, also?

How could I have forgotten to mention "Elvira Madigan". I think that exquisite scene with the tightrope really put the 21st by Mozart on the map for many folks.

I think I did see "Double Life of Veronique" if it was the French film with subtitles, and liked it very much.


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Yes, I believe it was Woodnymph. Altho I first took notice of Liev was before that, in Walking & Talking AND also The Daytrippers, another good little movie. And since that makes me think of Hope Davis as well, I will also throw in Wonderland.

LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE La Strada! The BEST Fellini film hands down. So beautiful. I studied it in school.


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Georgia, I wanted to see "The Double Life of Veronique" again as soon as I saw it the first (and only) time, because I don't think I understood half of it. I wrote above about the sepia tones making "Bad Company" more realistic, but sepia in this film adds to the etherealness. It's funny how similar techniques can yield such contrasting results. Director K's (sorry, I can't remember how to spell his name) trilogy -- "Blue" and "White" and "Red" -- are very interesting films, too. I think it's "Blue" that has Juliette Binoche and one of the others has the actress who was Weronika/Veronique in "Double Life."

Gosh, I haven't thought of "Brimstone and Treacle" in years! Unsettling though it is, there's something about it that appeals to my gothic proclivities (and by gothic I'm NOT talking about the dress-all-in-black-and-look-dead fetish of the lot who call themselves Goths). "Brimstone and Treacle" was a theatrical release in the US -- several films that originated on British TV have been presented in American theatres first; for instance, "Enchanted April." We should be so lucky to have that kind of quality in our television programs! But I can't think of a single example of an American TV show that was "considered a film" and shown in European cinemas -- maybe there are some, though, that I just don't know.

Dennis Potter's "The Singing Detective" was recommended to me over and over, but I couldn't find it for the longest time. I did find "Lipstick on Your Collar" and quite enjoyed that one as soon as I adjusted myself to the notion (actually the central device) of the actors lip-synching all those songs. When I finally did get a copy of "The Singing Detective" I was very excited, but alas! it just didn't work for me -- it was too protracted or something and I still haven't finished viewing it, although I've had it for at least seven years.

Just thought of another film with Julie Walters: "Buster", based on the life of a real person. Phil Collins, the drummer/singer in the rock band "Genesis," does a quite nice job of playing a rather thick fellow who is involved in that British "Great Train Robbery" of the early 1960s. Julie Walters is Buster's wife, and it's easy enough to understand -- crazy though it sounds -- that Buster loved her and their children enough to do something as foolish as rob a train! There's some nice comic turns in this one and the characters are very appealing.


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How about gems Billy Elliot and The Mighty?


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Frieda perhaps it is because the UK TV series (P&P, and the recent Bleak House come to mind) are shown in several episodes that when you view them in 'one fell swoop' in the US it is too much to take in at a single sitting. I prefered Dennis Potter's Pennies from Heaven to Singing Detective. I don't know if his Blue Remembered Hills has been shown in the States. A powerful play (not a series) where actors take the parts of children, set in the war-time Forest of Dean (Potter's childhood home and where I now live). So we see Colin Welland, Michael Elphick and Helen Mirren dressed in grey shorts and cotton frocks. A insightful look at the cruelty of children towards each other while the grown-up world of 'The War' is never far away.
Surprisingly Potter is not much appreciated in this area, he is considered too 'dirty'!

Did the excellent Richard Attenborough film Oh What a Lovely War ever reach the US? Taken from the stage-play produced at Joan Plowright's Theatre Royal Stratford East (ie Eastend of London). Just about every English actor of note was in it. Rent it if you can.


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I remember a movie maybe twenty years ago, Household Saints. Mostly three characters, the father played by Vincent Donofrio, and a mother Tracey Ullman and daughter,can't remember the actess'name. A 1950's Catholic family and the daughter is mentally ill, believing she must fast and behave like a saint,and she even has visions of Jesus. That new,controvsial TV show called Daniel reminded me of this movie.


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By the way, are we counting documentaries? I remember seeing an unforgettable documentary entitled "Crumb" about the (in)famous R. Crumb. Anyone remember that?

Oh, and how about "24 Hour Party People"?


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Definitely "Bagdad Cafe" Clairabelle, still my FAVORITE "little" film. What a wonderful story about how we all can affect each others lives. Filled with quirky characters and a great soundtrack.

Another fave of mine is "Dead Man" with Johnny Depp (looking oh so handsome). I thought he was great in this movie directed by Jim Jarmusch. There's even a cameo of Robert Mitchum.

I also really like "Walk on the Moon", "Smoke", "The Big Lebowski", which, by the way has quite a cult following with annual "Lebowski Fests", check out their website at lebowskifest.com


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I can't really call films released in the past ten years, or so, "forgotten," because I never knew about them in the first place. Overlooked, under-the-radar, underrated, and perhaps out-of-the-mainstream, yes, but not forgotten. Many of those may very well be "little films," though. Example: I'd never heard of "Walk on the Moon" until the mention in this thread.

Moon made me think of "Racing with the Moon," the first time I really noticed Sean Penn and Nicholas Cage were good actors (Penn in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" doesn't count with me). I like so much about "Racing," especially the setting, a California coastal town during World War II -- love that bowling alley and the pie shop! Elizabeth McGovern is very good in it, too, although I had noticed her before in "Ordinary People" and "Ragtime" -- whatever became of her, anyway? Cage played such a cad! But when he sang "Tangerine" with the broom in his hands, I thought: Now, that's acting! Unfortunately, Cage hasn't really impressed me in much else, though I know he's been Oscar-nominated a few times and even won once, I think -- for what I don't remember.

"The Man in the Moon" with young Reese Witherspoon always tears me up. I can't watch it when it gets close to a certain point (you know what that is, I'm sure) and even the other parts are affected because I know what is going to happen.

Is anyone familiar with "High Tide," starring Judy Davis? It's very good, in my opinion. Davis is a backup singer for an Elvis impersonator touring backroad towns of Australia. She is sacked and while in a funk she winds up in a coastal caravan park during the off season, mostly nursing a bottle of booze. An adolescent girl who lives there year-round with her grandmother is intrigued with Lillie (Davis) and things develop from there. In some ways it a predictable little film, but the acting of Davis, the young girl, and the girl's grandmother, and the directing of Gillian Armstrong transcend.


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What do you think of "Lifeboat" as a forgotten Hitchcock film? I've only seen it once, and my memory of it has faded, so I may just have to rent it and watch it again. It's probably the only movie I've seen with Tallulah Bankhead that I can actually recall.


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I loved "Billy Elliot" but forgot to mention it.

I think it was Judy Davis who starred in "My Brilliant Career." There were a group of films from Australia some years back which were all excellent: "The Last Wave", "The Piano", (H. Keitel), "Picnic at Hanging Rock", "Gallipoli", and of course "My Brilliant Career." I adored Sam Neill in the latter.


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On the theme of Australian films have you ever seen Walkabout the 1970 film directed by Nicolas Roeg and starring Jenny Agutter? Two children are abandoned by their father in the Outback and are rescued by an Aboriginal boy played by David Gulpilil; very atmospheric.
Gulpilil was in a film on w/end TV The Rabbit-Proof Fence. A true story in which 3 young Aboriginal girls escape from the Mission Station to where they were taken by force in order to deal with the 'problem' of mixed-race births and where they were trained to become farm workers and house servants.
No Stars in this pic but a good performance from Kenneth Branagh as the Head of Aboriginal Affairs in Perth.
btw The Piano is set in New Zealand.


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I think Walkabout is a great movie; I have the DVD of it. The only objection to it is I saw no need to change the beginning from the book. There, the children are lost in the outback because they survived a plane crash instead of being driven out into it by their father.


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A great little movie is 1976 - "Fortress" with Rachel Ward. another Australian one.

Plot Outline: An Australian school teacher and her students are kidnapped. She and the children fight for their lives and try to escape from their captors.

I think I have it taped and was reminded of it by the other Aussie films mentioned. It is really good.
Another one I used to have was of an Australian teacher who taught a dance class now has to coach the boys futball team. Of course no one thoughht she could do it. I wish I could remember the name maybe Rachel Ward was in this one too.


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This is a movie that I think is out of circulation now. Does anyone remember "5 Branded Women" with Barbara Bel Geddes, Vera Miles and Jeanne Moreau? I haven't seen this movie since I was a very little girl. I remember it being on tv and I remember the scene where they shave the women's heads for allegedly consorting with Nazis, but I don't think I've ever seen the end of it.

Anyway... there is a reference to this movie in Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tale" and every time I get to that passage where she makes this reference, I find myself wishing I could see the movie again.


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Vee, I liked both "Walkabout" and "Rabbit Proof Fence." I stand corrected re "The Piano" having been set in New Zealand. Which reminds me, try to see "Whale Rider" a very moving story of an aboriginal family in New Zealand, rather a recent film.

I like Rachel Ward very much and just re-visited "Against All Odds" in which she had a role.

Years ago, there was a unique film set in tribal country of Africa -- I think the title was "The Gods are Crazy."


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DH LOVES the Big Lebowski and we have looked into the Lebowski Fests every year but never make it.

I like some of the Coen Bros other little forgotten films...Barton Fink, Raising Arizona, Hudsucker Proxy, Blood Simple. Goodness you would think they ONLY made Fargo!


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Woodnymph2 --

I think the title of the movie was "The Gods Must Be Crazy" and it centered around a Kalahari bushman who is trying to return to the gods something that must belong to them -- a Coke bottle. It has some of the funniest sequences I've ever seen on film.


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I have the exact same memory of the head-shavings in Five Branded women, from seeing it on TV many years ago. Wish it would be on again, so I could see what else happened. Another sort-of Nazi-themed movie I recall from TV is "Return from the Ashes". About a female Holocaust survivor, her daughter, and her lover, played by Ingrid Thulin, Samantha Eggat and Maxililian Schell.


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Moongirl, I don't think the Coen Brothers are capable of making a bad film! Even their lesser efforts such as the 'Hudsucker Proxy' or 'The Man Who Wasn't There' outshine lots of other better known films. I recently watched 'Intolerable Cruelty' expecting the first Coen Bros disappointment, but no - it was hilarious, with George Clooney in his finest comedy performance since... his performance in the Coen Bros 'O Brother'. Does anyone else let him do comedy?


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The films of the Coen Brothers have been forgotten?! How can that be? Even I've seen all that have been mentioned, and at IMDb they've been rated by the multiples of thousands of moviewatchers.

Georgia, you mentioned Hitchcock's "Lifeboat" above. It does seem to be one of Hitch's lesser-watched films. I know I've seen it once -- and I think twice. What I recall about it was the claustrophobic sense it gave me, surely a partial feeling of what it would be like to be confined in such a small space with other helpless, and sometimes erratic, people. But I wonder if the reason it is not viewed as often as some of Hitchcock's others is the staticness and the talkiness of it. I think Hitchcock's "The Lodger," a silent made in 1926, is an effective bit of creepiness (based on Marie Belloc-Lowndes's novel about a Jack the Ripper-type killer), but some people I know are loath to watch it because it's black & white (yet they willingly watch "Psycho") but mainly, I think, because it's a silent.

Has anyone seen the Australian film "The Well"? It's an adaptation of Elizabeth Jolley's very strange novel of the same title. I saw the film once and thought it was very interesting, and I want to buy myself a copy but not until it's released on DVD -- if it ever is! That's a problem with these "little films" -- that, and finding them to rent. Netflix is not an option for me, unfortunately.


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Just saw a posting re "Mysterious Skin" which I got confused with "The Reflecting Skin" an early 90's movie. Remember really liking it, sort of David Lynchish. Great cinematography
Don't think there were any big stars and I don't think it's out on DVD.
Anyone seen it?


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Glad someone mentioned David Lynch. Really liked "Blue Velvet."

I absolutely loved "Fargo." McDormand was perfect as the policewoman and I liked the understated, terse dialogue.

Quite different, but does anyone else recall the oldie "Dr. Strangelove."?


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Dr Strangelove was one of so many films where Peter Sellers played a variety of rolls.
I was at school (ie what you in the US call High School) with the daughter of Peter George who wrote the book and screen play of 'Dr Strangelove'. Apparently he was rather an 'odd' character and used to make the family sit under the stairs in case of nuclear attack. He later commited suicide.


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Yes! "Dr Stangelove" was a great movie! Strange, in a very weird, wonderful, and funny in a black humor kind of way but still very good. Apparently it had a different original ending from the one that most audiences saw. From what I've read, the ending was supposed to be a massive pie fight in the presidential war room with a musical (i.e. singing chorus-like) finale.


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Oh, but see I remember "Dr. Strangelove" as a BIG movie. It was a great date favorite when I was a teenager and shown in coffee houses when I was at university. Also, it is ranked as #18 in the Top 250 at IMDb, rated by over 74,000 voters -- not bad for a 42-year-old film! I'm getting very fuzzy-minded trying to figure out just what a "forgotten little film" is. :-)

Btw, my DH and I rented and watched "The Big Lebowski" this week. DH had already seen it several times and he swore that I had seen it, too. Turns out that I had seen parts but didn't know at the time what I was watching -- apparently I had traipsed through the room where DH and sons were viewing "Lebowski" and I paused to watch bits and pieces before wandering off. I got a kick out of it this time, watching it all the way through. John Goodman is amazing!


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I obviously like this thread, because I keep coming back to it.

A film I've been thinking about renting again is The Mission w/ De Niro and Jeremy Irons. I don't hear people talking about this one too much anymore (might be indicative of me living under a rock, though). Along those lines, I don't think At Play in the Fields of the Lord was ever a big movie, but I lump it in the same class of movies as the above.

Another movie with an exotic locale, is Mountains of the Moon, with Patrick Bergin and Iain Glen as Burton and Speke looking for the source of the Nile. There are some interesting personal dynamics in this film.

Finally, another movie I regard as one of those little heartwarming types, is Little Voice, with Brenda Blethyn and Ewan McGregor.

I don't think any of these were big movies in the box office sense, but they were all movies that I have enjoyed and might watch again.


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I think we're muddling 'old' with 'forgotten,' but it's all good. DEFINITELY in the forgotten category: "O Henry's Full House" (1952). It's an anthology movie with a terrific pedigree of cast (Charles Laughton, Jeanne Craine, etc.) and directors (Howard Hawkes, Henry Hathaway, etc).

I particularly love "The Last Leaf."

More trivia - The introduction is by one John Steinbeck.


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Here's another which I really liked. Imho, forgotten but not a 'little' movie: check out the cast.

Here is a link that might be useful: House of the Spirits


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When I saw "Matchpoint" yesterday, I was reminded of 2 older, equally dark films: "Sunday, Bloody Sunday" with (I think) Glenda Jackson and Peter Finch. Also "Damage" with Juliette Binoche and Miranda Richardson. I liked both.

Another dark rather obscure film I liked, set in England, was "Waterlands" with Jeremy Irons. Very unsettling, but somehow satisfying....


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The Pawnbroker surviver guilt
Enemies: a love story ditto
Santa Sangre sympathetic look at serial killer of women
Laura Gene Tierney
Camille Greta Garbo
Things To Come 1936 science fiction with Lincolnesque Raymod Massey
East of Eden my favorite James Dean
8 1/2 Federico
Gung Ho Randolph Scott speaks war propaganda right into camera eye
Stardust Memories My and Woody's favorite Woody film
Paths of Glory early Kubrick war is nonsense well done
Destination Moon five story rocket ship facade ad on Times Square
Cyrano de Bergerac (sp?) the orginal with Jose Ferrer

Just tons and tons of them......

Here is a link that might be useful: AINT NO gOD


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How could I have forgotten my all time favorite: "Never On Sunday" with Melina Mercouri. Wonderful music and directed by her husband, Jules Dassin, in B & W.


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Did I mention "Leave Her to Heaven" I think I did. It was on TCM a while back. I remember reading the book.


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"Falling in Love" with Meryl Streep and Robert De Niro from 1984 is one of my favorite movies ever. With the great cast it shouldn't have been a little movie but I don't remember ever hearing anything about it. I discovered it on TV several years back. Has anyone else seen it?


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I watched it on late night a while back and loved it. I really want to see it again. I think we talked about it here. I think I compared it with an English classic but was told it wasn't like it.


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For Sci-Fi - "Soylent Green"
For quirky laughs - "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead"
For sentimental reasons - "Say Anything"
For Horror - "Night of the Creeps"

Another great forgotten little movie that may not have had time to be forgotten just overlooked is "Mind the Gap"


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The Station Agent was a very good small (no pun intended) film, involving a triad between a dwarf, a catering truck guy and a single mom.

Peter Tinkladge who plays Finbar McBride (the dwarf), did an excellent job. About halfway through the film I forgot all about the fact that he was a dwarf and saw him only as a leading man with romantic interests. Patricia Clarkson is also in the film.

Jodi-

Here is a link that might be useful: The Station Agent


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I loved The Station Agent and then forgot about it until you just mentioned it-really beautifully done! Anyone seen Eating Raol, now there's a real crazy thing. I'm trying to find a movie I havent seen for 25 years...it was an old B&W movie from the 30's,I think, and was called Through the Looking Glass...very beautiful, haunting version of Lewis Carrol's story. Little and forgotten: Truth about Spring, I just adored! Halely Mills was also good in The Chalk Garden and also the mystery set in Greece(forgot the title)-quite good! Another film I saw a long, long time ago...all I can remember is that everyone ends up shooting everyone in an uproarious climax...I think it had to be British. Loved the Lavender Hill Gang. Anyone seen Chaos, I think that was one of my favorites from last year. Back to the future was a lot of fun-first and third. Labrinth with David Bowie. Working Girl-great chick flick. Starman with Jeff Bridges. Phenomenom. My Life as a Dog was very funny.


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